5GW And Beyond
Robb calls the super empowered individual the end game.
Here is my blue sky thinking as to why –
Technological Singularity Track –
Because 5GW is the point where the human body becomes the limitation (our technology is designed to interact with our nervous system through the combined affects of the rest of the body’s system- but it could do a lot more if we ignored the those limitations).
To get into 6GW we’re talking about technology replacing everything in the human body except for the core (the brain). 6GW looks like brain leveraging technology directly, without the rest of the human systems in play. And then we progressively get to a point where machines are “better” than the brain. (7GW is when brains are made obsolete by machines.)
OODA Loop Track –
Using Dan’s OODA Loop analysis – When we run out of links to analyze as representative of generations of terrorism the OODA loop becomes irrelevant. Restated: The human decision cycle becomes irrelevant.
-Shlok
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Oct 9, 2006
Because 5GW is the point where the human body becomes the limitation (our technology is designed to interact with our nervous system through the combined affects of the rest of the body’s system- but it could do a lot more if we ignored the those limitations).
Not sure if this is the case. Political orientations appear to be partially due to geneticss, so there is a genetic component of 4GW. Of course, even in 1GW, one has to hold a rifle and run.
To get into 6GW we’re talking about technology replacing everything in the human body except for the core (the brain).
Why? Especially given how much of technological history or augmentation of the brain, or replacing the use of some part of it with the use of some technology. (Think even of the abacus v. mental arithematic).
Oct 10, 2006
I think what you are describing as 6GW and 7GW requires that the technological singularity has occurred. I don’t think I can look to well past that point. Human society would become very chaotic as it reorganizations into new organizational forms I think. Economics would be radically different. Hmmm…speculation on this post-singularity world (warfare, governing, economics, language, art, culture,) would be very interesting.
Oct 10, 2006
Right, but are the periphery human systems – circulatory, epidermal, lymphatic, etc – necessary for 4 or 5GW? Instead of weapons that require trigger pulling think weapons that require thought etc.
Right. Now think reverse engineering the brain and replacing each section with an abacus (x1000) to make it more effective and efficient.
Oct 10, 2006
Purpleslog – You’re right, this is a singularity based argument. And I’m on board for a post-singularity discussion.
Oct 10, 2006
I still don’t understand your point — are you arguing that political persuasiveness, temperment, etc, aren’t facilitated by the nervous system, etc?
Oct 11, 2006
Dan –
There is a better way for the human body to interact with the environment. When the singularity kicks in technology will be at a point where the human body as a platform for the mind will be obsolete and be superseded by a better platform. One based on technology that requires no organic energy to perpetuate itself.
No more wasting energy on the other systems that make up 98% of the body that isn’t the brain. The environment is changing at an unprecedented pace, and will likey become faster and faster. The value of genetic hardcoding decreases… humans will not have run across the environmental stimuli before. Etc etc.
Lots of stuff here. I’ll try and put together a more cohesive argument.
-Shlok
Apr 25, 2007
I don’t see how you can have post-Singularity warfare. There are a number of characteristics that would just seem to make war, government, material based economics, the human condition, etc.. obsolete. We are talking about the ability to create anything out of anything with self-replicating nanobots, a run-away process of AI (That includes humans evolving beyond their own biology to adopt wholly non-biological intelligence) improving its’ own intelligence at an accelerating rate, our elevation as a species to god-like status, the ability to expand into the infinite multiverse and create new universes at will (Whether physical creation or virtual reality, perhaps there wouldn’t be much of a difference), and a host of other abilities and conditions we can not imagine. So yes, I am of the opinion that wars amongst ourselves end when the Singularity comes about.