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	<description>I&#039;m Shlok Vaidya. I&#039;m the Director of Product Management at Neoplat. We build the tools that help governments, corporations, and communities adapt to an increasingly uncertain future. This is an outlet for my thinking on warfare, resiliency, and the future. I can be easily contacted at shlok@webuildplatforms.com</description>
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		<title>By: Capturing Thoughts: 5GW Analysis Paralysis &#171; PurpleSlog &#8211; Awesomeness &#38; Modesty Meets Sexy</title>
		<link>http://shloky.com/?p=762&#038;cpage=1#comment-64708</link>
		<dc:creator>Capturing Thoughts: 5GW Analysis Paralysis &#171; PurpleSlog &#8211; Awesomeness &#38; Modesty Meets Sexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://shloky.com/?p=762#comment-33197 : Shloky is correct to point out that there is a danger in seeing patterns or conspiracies where [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://shloky.com/?p=762#comment-33197" rel="nofollow">http://shloky.com/?p=762#comment-33197</a> : Shloky is correct to point out that there is a danger in seeing patterns or conspiracies where [...]</p>
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		<title>By: naloubyroonia</title>
		<link>http://shloky.com/?p=762&#038;cpage=1#comment-54883</link>
		<dc:creator>naloubyroonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very  intresting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very  intresting</p>
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		<title>By: Of the People, By The People: The Strategic Citizen 5GW Style &#171; PurpleSlog</title>
		<link>http://shloky.com/?p=762&#038;cpage=1#comment-35632</link>
		<dc:creator>Of the People, By The People: The Strategic Citizen 5GW Style &#171; PurpleSlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shloky has defined 5GW in a superficially similar way as: 5GW is what we label the emergent pattern formed by a distributed multitude of empowered individuals acting in concert by acting in their own self interest, without any collaboration. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shloky has defined 5GW in a superficially similar way as: 5GW is what we label the emergent pattern formed by a distributed multitude of empowered individuals acting in concert by acting in their own self interest, without any collaboration. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FUTURE BLINDNESS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-10-22</title>
		<link>http://shloky.com/?p=762&#038;cpage=1#comment-33356</link>
		<dc:creator>FUTURE BLINDNESS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-10-22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Wizard And The Invisible Hurricane &#124; Shlok Vaidya’s Thinking WHOA JOHN ROBB BEING SORT OF A BITCH (tags: gg security offload) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Wizard And The Invisible Hurricane | Shlok Vaidya’s Thinking WHOA JOHN ROBB BEING SORT OF A BITCH (tags: gg security offload) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shloky&#8217;s &#8220;Invisible Hurricane&#8221; as 5GW Example? [Updated] &#171; PurpleSlog</title>
		<link>http://shloky.com/?p=762&#038;cpage=1#comment-33212</link>
		<dc:creator>Shloky&#8217;s &#8220;Invisible Hurricane&#8221; as 5GW Example? [Updated] &#171; PurpleSlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The discussion moved to here then to here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Robb</title>
		<link>http://shloky.com/?p=762&#038;cpage=1#comment-33210</link>
		<dc:creator>John Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misrepresented my work as 5GW?  LOL.  

You act as if there is a fully defined and accepted theory of 5GW out there.  There isn&#039;t.  I pointed to some trends that are likely to define it in my article on the topic.  Hammes has too.   Lind is adamant that it doesn&#039;t exist yet and all speculation is foolish at this point.

That being said, I enjoy the speculative theory (particularly from Dan) on the topic the D5GW team is working on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misrepresented my work as 5GW?  LOL.  </p>
<p>You act as if there is a fully defined and accepted theory of 5GW out there.  There isn&#8217;t.  I pointed to some trends that are likely to define it in my article on the topic.  Hammes has too.   Lind is adamant that it doesn&#8217;t exist yet and all speculation is foolish at this point.</p>
<p>That being said, I enjoy the speculative theory (particularly from Dan) on the topic the D5GW team is working on.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks</title>
		<link>http://shloky.com/?p=762&#038;cpage=1#comment-33208</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Trying again...)

Addendum to comment left for John:

--or, I should add, if you expand what you have already written into a consideration of how these diverse and self-interested GGs might begin to work closely together, conscientiously attacking the system from multiple points, in order to build a new type of world they all want, that, too, might begin to approach a real theory of 5GW.  (So, given some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/07/defending_against_5gw.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recent&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/08/01/kinds-of-5gw.html#c1679283&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussion&lt;/a&gt;, the two -- coordinating-GGs-5GW and the resiliency-builders-5GW -- may be the 5GW insurgency and 5GW counterinsurgency.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Trying again&#8230;)</p>
<p>Addendum to comment left for John:</p>
<p>&#8211;or, I should add, if you expand what you have already written into a consideration of how these diverse and self-interested GGs might begin to work closely together, conscientiously attacking the system from multiple points, in order to build a new type of world they all want, that, too, might begin to approach a real theory of 5GW.  (So, given some <a href="http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/07/defending_against_5gw.php" rel="nofollow">recent</a> <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/08/01/kinds-of-5gw.html#c1679283" rel="nofollow">discussion</a>, the two &#8212; coordinating-GGs-5GW and the resiliency-builders-5GW &#8212; may be the 5GW insurgency and 5GW counterinsurgency.)</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks</title>
		<link>http://shloky.com/?p=762&#038;cpage=1#comment-33207</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Hmmm...I keep getting a &quot;duplicate comment&quot; whenever I try to add an addendum to that comment.  Will this comment even appear?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Hmmm&#8230;I keep getting a &#8220;duplicate comment&#8221; whenever I try to add an addendum to that comment.  Will this comment even appear?)</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks</title>
		<link>http://shloky.com/?p=762&#038;cpage=1#comment-33206</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--or, I should add, if you expand what you have already written into a consideration of how these diverse and self-interested GGs might begin to work closely together, conscientiously attacking the system from multiple points, in order to build a new type of world they all want, that, too, might begin to approach a real theory of 5GW.  (So, given some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/07/defending_against_5gw.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recent&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/08/01/kinds-of-5gw.html#c1679283&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussion&lt;/a&gt;, the two -- coordinating-GGs-5GW and the resiliency-builders-5GW -- may be the 5GW insurgency and 5GW counterinsurgency.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;or, I should add, if you expand what you have already written into a consideration of how these diverse and self-interested GGs might begin to work closely together, conscientiously attacking the system from multiple points, in order to build a new type of world they all want, that, too, might begin to approach a real theory of 5GW.  (So, given some <a href="http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/07/defending_against_5gw.php" rel="nofollow">recent</a> <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/08/01/kinds-of-5gw.html#c1679283" rel="nofollow">discussion</a>, the two &#8212; coordinating-GGs-5GW and the resiliency-builders-5GW &#8212; may be the 5GW insurgency and 5GW counterinsurgency.)</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks</title>
		<link>http://shloky.com/?p=762&#038;cpage=1#comment-33205</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

You were the one who misrepresented your work by labeling GG &quot;fifth-generation warfare.&quot;  Your insistence on defining Global Guerrillas as multiple, non-coordinating and entirely self-interested guerrillas, who largely do not share common goals and motivations, automatically places your theory outside the realm of any theory of warfare that can fit within the xGW model.  I mean, as a collective.  Individual groups of GG may operate at 3GW, 4GW, perhaps even 4GW+ -- given that Lind&#039;s 4GW is as open-ended and ill-defined; but calling the whole dynamic a generation of warfare is misleading.

However, as you may know, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2006/10/global_guerrillas_as_5gw_warri.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve found a place&lt;/a&gt; for your GG in 5GW.  If individual GG groups begin operating at a 5GW, this does not mean that all will, nor that &quot;Global Guerrillas&quot; itself is the fifth generation of warfare.

Fifth generation war planners will need to be able to examine the environment which they would alter.  Thus, the things you describe will be important for that examination.  I have also said numerous times that I keep an eye on your website; this is why.  I&#039;ve also often previous said that GG describes the environment more than anything else, from a 5GW perspective.

Finally, your second book, from what I&#039;ve read, may actually leap into the real 5GW (as you see it.)  If you go back and read my comment to Shlok, above, rather than offer your usual inconsequential one-line comebacks, you might begin to grasp what I&#039;m saying.  A theory of warfare is not merely prophetic warnings of dire futures and the troublesome present; no, it must have a use and be used.  As you determine how  resilliencies can be built to offset or overcome the GG dynamic, you&#039;ll be developing a type of 5GW.  Finally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>You were the one who misrepresented your work by labeling GG &#8220;fifth-generation warfare.&#8221;  Your insistence on defining Global Guerrillas as multiple, non-coordinating and entirely self-interested guerrillas, who largely do not share common goals and motivations, automatically places your theory outside the realm of any theory of warfare that can fit within the xGW model.  I mean, as a collective.  Individual groups of GG may operate at 3GW, 4GW, perhaps even 4GW+ &#8212; given that Lind&#8217;s 4GW is as open-ended and ill-defined; but calling the whole dynamic a generation of warfare is misleading.</p>
<p>However, as you may know, <a href="http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2006/10/global_guerrillas_as_5gw_warri.php" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;ve found a place</a> for your GG in 5GW.  If individual GG groups begin operating at a 5GW, this does not mean that all will, nor that &#8220;Global Guerrillas&#8221; itself is the fifth generation of warfare.</p>
<p>Fifth generation war planners will need to be able to examine the environment which they would alter.  Thus, the things you describe will be important for that examination.  I have also said numerous times that I keep an eye on your website; this is why.  I&#8217;ve also often previous said that GG describes the environment more than anything else, from a 5GW perspective.</p>
<p>Finally, your second book, from what I&#8217;ve read, may actually leap into the real 5GW (as you see it.)  If you go back and read my comment to Shlok, above, rather than offer your usual inconsequential one-line comebacks, you might begin to grasp what I&#8217;m saying.  A theory of warfare is not merely prophetic warnings of dire futures and the troublesome present; no, it must have a use and be used.  As you determine how  resilliencies can be built to offset or overcome the GG dynamic, you&#8217;ll be developing a type of 5GW.  Finally.</p>
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